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many have heard about the rendlesham

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incident anyone remotely interested

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within the UFO field of Investigations

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is aware of the famous 1980 event what

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people may not be so familiar with are

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the extremely strange and mysterious

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things that took place revolving around

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the event and that's exactly what this

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amazing book by Philip kinsella is about

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now Philip is quite the guy and we are

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going to get into a lot of things a lot

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of high strangeness a lot of weird

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goings on

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involving military cover-ups reptilians

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UFOs and more so buckle up and prepare

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Blast Off on another out of this world

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episode of the hyper anomalous esoteric

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research organization podcast AKA hero

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paranormal

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broadcasting from space Wolf research

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just south of the Utah UFO Ranch in the

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uena Basin of Utah my name is Ryan the

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anomalous ambassador of the airwaves

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bringing you a mysterious and strange

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episode today

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on today's episode we have Philip

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kinsella Philip is both a clairvoyant

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medium and UFO investigator as well as

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author having had many bizarre UFO and

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paranormal experiences throughout its

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life along with his identical twin

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brother Ronald who is a very talented

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artist among other things

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he began to research the phenomenon on a

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serious level of Investigation after an

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alien abduction in 1989. this led him to

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writing several books reaching for the

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Divine how to communicate effectively

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with your Spirit guides and loved ones

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on the other side believe Bridging the

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Gap between the psychic and UFO

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phenomenon and Sky Crash throughout time

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a continued investigation into the

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rendelsham UFO mystery this book had

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been co-authored with UFO investigator

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Philip along with his brother co-host a

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radio program for the Paranormal UK

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radio called twin souls where they

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interview many authors and experiencers

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on all topics within the world of

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bizarre

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Philip is also working on more books

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surrounding the UFO field of

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Investigations this won't disappoint

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Philip welcome to the hero paranormal

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podcast

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much thank you Philip you are an amazing

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author you do amazing research I'm

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always intrigued by everything you have

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going on and this this kind of brings a

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whole new in my opinion a whole new

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layer to the rendlesham incident what

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brought you to write the book and can

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you tell us a little bit about it

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yes well I had no wish to be involved

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with uh rendersham of course for your

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listeners out there rendlesham is known

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as England's Roswell it was an event

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that happened at Raf bent Waters in the

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winter of 1980 over the Christmas period

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three night period where a military

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personnel had been witness to UFO

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activity and some of which was at very

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close range I had actually met and had

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dinner with Colonel Charles Holt and

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that was uh brought forward through

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David Young who is a good friend through

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one of his conferences here in England

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so basically what happened was that I

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remembered I was quite Young when the

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release of the story of the U.S military

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had encountered a UFO of course at that

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point it was stated there were aliens

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that were seen but I I think that that

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might be pushing it a little bit too far

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but I remember reading it in the news of

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the world and many years later when I

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got involved with UFO research I had the

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pleasure of meeting my good friend and

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good associate Peter Robbins

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and um he suggested when I was at this

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UFO group with my twin brother Ronald

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and Susan a friend of mine that we

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should go to renderson because there's

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still a lot of unusual activity that's

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occurring within that area and of course

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a curious fellow that I am I decided to

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go up to rendlesham

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um which uh from where we live is about

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a two-hour journey and on our exploits

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within the forest we discovered quite

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shockingly that um certain paranormal

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events were still taking place

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and um and would you believe that I

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ended up meeting of all people within

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the forest on one of our

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exploits that covered more or less 10

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years of research Brenda Butler now

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Brenda Butler was the co-author to the

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original release of the book surrounding

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rendersham called Sky Crasher Cosmic

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conspiracy which had been co-authored

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with DOT Street and a British ufologist

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Jenny Randalls back in 1984 by Neville

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and um I had no idea where Brenda Butler

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lived I knew about her not much and when

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we're exploring the area

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um on one particular night we happen to

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come across her and I saw her in the

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forest with a white German shepherd with

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another male and they were playing some

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music and taking photographs when we

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passed them I just felt I had to go back

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and speak to this lady and I said are

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you looking for the orbs and she said

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yes why and I said well I'm rather

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hoping to meet Brenda Butler and she

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said my dear I am Brenda Butler and of

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course yes and of course at that point

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um this kind of worms was opened up with

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regards to much more information and

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well as they call it and UFO activities

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event of uh Bennett Waters occurred in

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1980 and afterwards as well

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what a coincidence what a blessing to

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meet Brenda she is a very celebrated

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researcher and somehow this is something

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that tends to happen these coincidences

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or synchronicities it seems revolving

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these events of high strangeness

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that are paranormal and UFO related

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I I think it's very interesting that it

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you met on site I mean what are the

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chances of that and

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what did you gather from Brenda's

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research which in my opinion has been

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very extensive her book came out in 1984

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is that correct

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that's right Neville Spearman limited

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hardback and then of course it went to

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um it the cases of synchronicity occur I

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think within all of our Lives all of us

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associated with any form of UFO or

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paranormal research and I think this is

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very interesting because this brings

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into effect the levels of high

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strangeness and incidentally I will both

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hear a little and say that I have a new

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book coming out this year called

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terrestrial trespasses which deals with

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these levels of high strangeness the

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grace and the abduction phenomena along

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with cryptozoology the Dogman and

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Brenda Butler is a celebrated author and

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I think as well as a researcher and I

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call her the guardian of the forest

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because she knows the forest like the

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back of her hand and we're talking about

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an immense immense space of Forestry

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now we had been witness to a lot of

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strange phenomena and one of which where

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we had summoned a UFO on the 8th of June

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1998 a precisely 10 15 pm at night

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and that was all due to listening to

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Karen Carpenters these celebrated

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American singer who I love very much

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caught her record calling occupants

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um and I thought well is that possible

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so this then led me into looking at

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Brenda's research and discovering also

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that it wasn't just about UFO activities

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seen uh prior to the bedwaters event and

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um another area of uh really uh strange

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bizarre instance where the concerned a

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reptilian man and and I I couldn't

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believe what I was reading in her

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redundant manuscript because she'd

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written all this second book out a big

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thick book that hadn't seen the light of

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day and I I said to Brenda well why

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don't we write about this why don't you

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let me have the manuscript this is when

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we got to know each other very well let

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me go through your book and see what

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parts we can use in a new book and uh

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that was when I started along with

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time now that book had originally been

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published by another publishing company

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our publisher John Day in 2013.

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unfortunately Ryan the book suffered

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because a lot of people wanted to read

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about the 1980 event they didn't seem to

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be interested in the fact of a reptilian

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man or experiments in summoning a UFO

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that UFO celebrated case which I do

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believe did happen and and I I say that

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lightly because uh through the release

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that they the Army were in possession of

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a crashed disc and then changing the

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story to a weather balloon and of course

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anywhere so I mean you know when you

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look at the evidence is staring you

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straight in the eyes but I think that

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with any celebrated UFO case whether it

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anything like that

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revealing information because most

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people will ultimately reject that

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thinking that no only this one event

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occurs and no others so this was the

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frustrating part and of course what

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happened some years later was that our

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mantle who runs his flying disc press

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asked me and said you know would you

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mind if we released this book and I said

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Philip you can do what you want with it

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um you know it is just sat there and

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didn't really do anything before when it

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band it was like a in a wheel so it is

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um but Brenda certainly introduced me to

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um incredible absolutely amazing Aaron I

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indicative of what we've been looking

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may use skinwalk Garage in Utah Benson

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paranormal experiences so that's what

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we've been looking into

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fascinating fascinating stuff and it it

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really does kind of

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remind me a lot of other areas of high

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strangeness I'm glad you brought that up

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because with this reptilian Man story I

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have to ask do you believe that

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dimensional portals are are present

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there in the area

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well this certainly does seem to be the

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case I mean like you I'm a researcher

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and an author I'm very grateful and

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humbled by a lot of the contacts and

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connections that I have with other top

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ufologists now

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I believe that there is some kind of

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interdimensional

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um process occurring here and I've

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argued this in the new book that I've

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got coming out as well as you the public

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deceived I did mention it in that book

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um I absolutely believe

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um myself that we are dealing with some

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kind of inter-dimensional connection uh

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perhaps ultra-terrestrial connection

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portals opening and closing and this is

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the frustrating part about all of this

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we're not sure candidly about what

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exactly is going on but at least we can

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create some kind of theoretical models

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if we look for instance into cases of

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the national forest and I know that

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um David Pilates is celebrated with his

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uh Missing 4-1-1 series of books but

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there are other researchers out there

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who have also explored this territory in

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such places you have UFOs seen and of

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course you have the Sasquatch scene you

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seen that the dogmen there people go

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missing and those that are found can't

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remember where they've been so Paul

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Sinclair here in England's States

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categorically that location is the key

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now we do know for instance through

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legend that in Skinwalker Ranch there

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was a curse but on the land uh by uh you

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know Indians and this created what they

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believed to be the skinwalker whether or

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not the curse was responsible for that

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we're not sure because it appears that

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the land is sacred so I think that you

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know in terms of our understanding of

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the Supernatural and when we look at

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cases of Sasquatch and Dogman and UFOs I

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mean you know there is always this

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pervading silence that occurs in the

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appearance of UFOs or Cryptids

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um there is also this fact of glowing

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eyes that are normally seen through the

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entities as though they're able to come

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in and come out but what's frustrating

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for us is we cannot try to pinpoint

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how it is that Cryptids can connect with

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UFOs and vice versa I believe myself

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personally it's possible that if such

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intelligences are breaking through to

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our reality and in this I mean UFOs uaps

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as they know called same thing in my

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book but whether or not they just store

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space and time rather like a larger

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vessel going through the ocean that sets

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the water allowing a distortion within

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space and time and allowing other

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entities to seep through from

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alternative Dimensions we don't know but

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you know at least we can try to Fathom

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what's going on here so yeah that is the

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frustrating part about it most

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definitely Ryan definitely

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absolutely so interesting

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something that I have to ask about is

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this purported alien activity and we

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know uh I believe it's John Burroughs

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and Jim peniston yes they saw this

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strange object

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what's weirder

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they saw physical hieroglyphics on the

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object what what do you think those were

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what is your opinion of the

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hieroglyphics that were present

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well it was Jim peniston who actually

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was the one who had more of the contact

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with the UFO that wasn't very large and

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had been rather like a triangular shaped

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craft hovering a few feet above the

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ground and what he reported was that um

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there were these hieroglycerin

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absolutely correct he started to draw

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them on a pad and of course he became

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more sluggish as though the energy or

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the emission of energy or the

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interaction with him touching the craft

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has somehow affected

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um the way that he operated or

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consciously operated his thoughts are

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very much that we would we were dealing

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with some type of

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um time machine because through his

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analysis of the description of the craft

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uh there was there's no way that

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anything or anyone could be in it so of

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course I'm sure you're aware he's

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written a book called um the renderson

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Enigma with Gary Osborne and he's gone

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into a lot of great detail about the how

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indicating that we are dealing with

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people from the future that have come

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back to this time but what we must also

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understand is that When the UFO

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phenomena comes into our space of

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reality it Alters our perception of

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reality it Alters the environment so

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it's possible that the integration of

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this intelligence can infiltrate into

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the minds of all those around and they

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will see different things so

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So to that individual it is their truth

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and we've been finding this it's very

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fascinating and of course I believe

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peniston and Burrows I believe Colonel

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Charles Holt ultimately I do his

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testimony is absolutely crystal clear

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he's a man who's very much on the ball

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and key to information so something did

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occur there and with any event that

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occurs uh whether or not it be Roswell

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or you know renderson or Skinwalker Arch

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or any of these other celebrated eras

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there's many others that are not well

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known but you'll always get these levels

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where there there ends up being

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Distortion of facts and contradicting

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data so you know and then we get into

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this area of like you know the OSI the

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office of special investigations came in

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and muck things up

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um I don't doubt that but whatever

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occurred to those men truly frightened

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them and you know we're talking about

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military men and I will State for the

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record here Ryan subbing that will make

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you laugh

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the original testimony of some

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researchers was that all that the

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American troops were chasing was nothing

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less than the lights from the orphanous

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lighthouse now when we had been there in

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the forest doing our research we could

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see this the sweeping beam of the

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lighthouse it wasn't very strong and I

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always state that if our good old

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American troops are chasing the lights

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to a lighthouse saying God help all of

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us you know

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um there were many theories about what

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actually occurred there what was

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responsible even to the most ridiculous

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mundane you wouldn't believe it it

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appears to me that when someone states

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that this is something that's

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extraterrestrial interdimensional or

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ultra-terrestrial it's a big No-No it

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has to be something other than what you

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have seen now for the record the

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experiment that we performed on the 8th

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of June 1998 was incredible and my

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argument is this

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are we projecting this phenomena

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phenomena or is the the phenomena

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projecting through to us because it was

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clearly clearly indicative that we

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wanted this to happen and it did happen

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through observation so you know we have

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to look at both sides of the coin here

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regarding what we're really dealing with

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and I don't think it's just physical

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spacecrafts coming from say Zeta

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reticuli or what the Andromeda star

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system I think we're dealing with

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something that operates on multiple

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levels of reality and I think that these

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multiple levels of reality are able to

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interconnect within us on an individual

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basis within our Consciousness and this

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is now where our research is leading us

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not so much into the physical nuts and

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bolts construct of The Craft of course

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they must come into our airspace through

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this way they must appear solid in order

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to be accepted and infiltrated into our

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dimension of reality but we now have to

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look outside the box into other areas of

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research

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I I find it so interesting that people

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believe like you said that they were

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following just lights this is so

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unlikely right uh I'm glad that you

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mentioned that because and I'm also glad

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you mentioned um Lieutenant curl Colonel

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Charles halt because his these these are

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all military men educated men they knew

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what in my opinion they knew what they

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were looking at and the descriptions are

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very telling many of the things that

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halt described are seen in other UFO

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cases such as the the dripping of some

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form of molten metal upon the ground and

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my question to you is

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do you think that this may have been

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something

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of a black project or would you

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attribute it more to something more

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extraterrestrial unknown or

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quote-unquote alien

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well that is a very good question and

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before I answer that I will say to you

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that Brenda actually allowed me to touch

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um as a solidified piece of this residue

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that had dripped off of the original

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craft that Colonel Charles halt had seen

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I've actually held it it's like a very

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lightweight honeycombed lots of speckled

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colors in it and it can't be uh torn or

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or dug into it's been analyzed by

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several scientific units Brenda has had

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them analyzed and they are no material

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and this occurred because DOTA dot

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Street

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we're spawned small enough to break into

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the base and had found this in the area

519
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of where the residue of The Craft that

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Colonel Charles Sultan has made it seen

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now in answer to your question I'm not

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so sure now if we go into the military

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aspect my argument would be that what we

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my brother that is myself and Susan had

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experienced in the act of June 1998 at

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uh 10 15 PM was a very structured

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physical craft and it was incredible and

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I doubt seriously doubt whether or not

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the military had projecting some kind of

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holographic technology in order to you

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know confound three relatively

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unimportant individuals who were in the

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forest at that time so I don't know my

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argument would be why would the military

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trick its very own military into this uh

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you know psychologically twisting

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experiment I have no idea my gut

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instinct is that we are perhaps dealing

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with something that is definitely what

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we would call alien

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um I doubt very much whether or not this

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was some kind of military operation or

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psyops operation although we have to be

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very open-minded and I am with all forms

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of research I will never put myself in a

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and a cul-de-sac with regards to this we

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have to be able to do everything but

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there's a part of me and through what we

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had experienced that tells me it is

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Supernatural and also connected with

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some kind of alien intelligence now the

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reason I say this is because on one

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occasion that we were with Brenda in the

554
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,659
forest and she was she normally takes

555
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,120
groups of people out there and in broad

556
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,760
daylight across the path area of the

557
00:24:40,190 --> 00:24:37,440
forest where there were no trees hanging

558
00:24:42,049 --> 00:24:40,200
above us she told us about these stones

559
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,059
that would literally fall from the sky

560
00:24:46,490 --> 00:24:44,400
and they would be hot well would you

561
00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:46,500
believe that on this occasion these

562
00:24:51,169 --> 00:24:49,080
Stones did fall from the sky and one of

563
00:24:52,610 --> 00:24:51,179
them plonked right in front of us and

564
00:24:55,730 --> 00:24:52,620
Brenda said go on pick it up you're

565
00:24:58,730 --> 00:24:55,740
gonna find it's hot and it was hot and

566
00:25:02,029 --> 00:24:58,740
that is some kind of airport now we are

567
00:25:04,010 --> 00:25:02,039
aware that within UFO research when UFOs

568
00:25:07,250 --> 00:25:04,020
have been seen around or directed around

569
00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:07,260
a certain area that afterwards there is

570
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:09,960
normally a lot of on a lot of occasions

571
00:25:15,770 --> 00:25:12,960
Paranormal Activity discard voices being

572
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:15,780
heard Stones coming from the sky things

573
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:18,000
moving around Poltergeist activity this

574
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,220
kind of thing which seems very strange

575
00:25:24,649 --> 00:25:22,559
in terms of like the events of the UFO

576
00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:24,659
being seen along with occupants that is

577
00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:27,480
totally uh you know

578
00:25:32,570 --> 00:25:30,120
so indifferent to the Poltergeist and

579
00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:32,580
Paranormal Activity so you know it

580
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:34,860
that's my terminology I doubt very much

581
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:36,900
of the military would all be able to

582
00:25:42,049 --> 00:25:39,360
create Stones falling from the sky that

583
00:25:44,810 --> 00:25:42,059
are red hot and in response to Brenda's

584
00:25:46,730 --> 00:25:44,820
request uh along with the summoning of

585
00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:46,740
UFO that we did privately and within our

586
00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:49,320
minds and experiment back then in on the

587
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:52,740
8th of June 1998 so you know I believe

588
00:25:56,570 --> 00:25:54,840
myself personally that we are dealing

589
00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:56,580
with something that is interdimensional

590
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,820
and very multi-complexed I I you know

591
00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:02,159
even to the point where a lot of

592
00:26:06,730 --> 00:26:04,440
researchers within the world can't

593
00:26:09,169 --> 00:26:06,740
fathom out what we're dealing with

594
00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:09,179
although although it said we have ideas

595
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:11,460
we have our own opinions

596
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,960
um but there will be Ryan some people

597
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:15,120
who will tell you how it is and what it

598
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,480
is but I seriously have to uh kind of

599
00:26:22,909 --> 00:26:20,880
like step back and say well okay I

600
00:26:25,570 --> 00:26:22,919
respect what you're saying but you know

601
00:26:28,250 --> 00:26:25,580
even we're not so sure

602
00:26:30,529 --> 00:26:28,260
exactly and I'm really glad that you

603
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:30,539
said the word abort because that is

604
00:26:36,110 --> 00:26:33,840
something that these things do appear

605
00:26:38,570 --> 00:26:36,120
from time to time in these areas

606
00:26:42,409 --> 00:26:38,580
especially when having to do with uaps

607
00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:42,419
or UFOs and another thing that appears

608
00:26:48,289 --> 00:26:44,820
and I have to ask you about this

609
00:26:51,409 --> 00:26:48,299
is many people seems seem to claim that

610
00:26:54,610 --> 00:26:51,419
there was some kind of a cover-up and

611
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:54,620
there were some orders to Halt

612
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,080
investigation and research in many of

613
00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:00,720
the dealings with this sensitive issue

614
00:27:07,490 --> 00:27:05,100
have you run into any threatening or

615
00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:07,500
interesting

616
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:10,140
connections where people have been

617
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:12,360
adamant in trying to stop your research

618
00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:14,100
in any way shape or form

619
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,440
yes there were there were there was an

620
00:27:21,649 --> 00:27:18,480
occasion where I did find this with the

621
00:27:23,169 --> 00:27:21,659
writing of Sky Crash throughout time uh

622
00:27:26,269 --> 00:27:23,179
when it was originally published in

623
00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:26,279
2013. I make no claims I'm not

624
00:27:30,529 --> 00:27:28,200
sensationalizing myself I'm very

625
00:27:33,529 --> 00:27:30,539
grounded and very black and white

626
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:33,539
um as you are probably very much aware

627
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,340
um I don't deal with the fairies so to

628
00:27:39,649 --> 00:27:36,960
speak but yes there had been some

629
00:27:41,930 --> 00:27:39,659
occasions where my computer had been

630
00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:41,940
hacked and I was aware that information

631
00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:44,820
was being looked at

632
00:27:51,649 --> 00:27:48,600
um and I also had some difficulties with

633
00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:51,659
um some very strange bizarre people uh

634
00:27:56,930 --> 00:27:54,360
that were trying to Halt or stop the

635
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:56,940
publication of the book now the book in

636
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:00,000
my terminology is not something that's

637
00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:03,120
Sensational it it uh you know recounts

638
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:05,880
new information about

639
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:08,159
um rendelson only in terms of the UFO

640
00:28:14,090 --> 00:28:10,799
activity before and afterwards there was

641
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:14,100
some sensitive cases concerning another

642
00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:15,840
the character within the book called

643
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:18,600
Karen who had dealings with Brenda and

644
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:21,360
there was all this confusion about

645
00:28:26,029 --> 00:28:24,480
um you know Russia and the satellite and

646
00:28:29,149 --> 00:28:26,039
all this type of thing that was I think

647
00:28:31,130 --> 00:28:29,159
fed into the main area which tried I

648
00:28:33,769 --> 00:28:31,140
think to discredit the subject matter

649
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:33,779
entirely now what's interesting

650
00:28:38,390 --> 00:28:36,720
is that I was not pertured by this and

651
00:28:40,669 --> 00:28:38,400
of course as you know as a researcher

652
00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:40,679
yourself someone like we're all

653
00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:42,360
important I mean I don't know what you

654
00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:44,100
would call me but you know I just

655
00:28:47,690 --> 00:28:45,480
happened to get involved in this many

656
00:28:51,529 --> 00:28:47,700
many long years ago and uh find myself

657
00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:51,539
in this place like we ought to but um my

658
00:28:58,850 --> 00:28:55,020
understanding is that um I think

659
00:29:02,029 --> 00:28:58,860
the military are very much aware of the

660
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,039
UFO UAP phenomena and as we all know I

661
00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:03,840
think they've been exploring it for many

662
00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:06,120
many years I think when there is an

663
00:29:09,529 --> 00:29:07,799
event that's transpired they want to

664
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:09,539
find out as much as they can about it

665
00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:11,700
because I think most of it still eludes

666
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:12,360
them

667
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:15,600
I also believe that the subject matter

668
00:29:19,730 --> 00:29:17,640
has been considered top secret I'm not

669
00:29:23,570 --> 00:29:19,740
just talking about

670
00:29:24,769 --> 00:29:23,580
um renderson here although I will state

671
00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:24,779
um that I think that the military

672
00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:26,760
themselves have tried to be Hoodwinked

673
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,580
into stating that it was something else

674
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:32,159
um so there was a very much force

675
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:33,600
especially with the office of special

676
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,200
investigations who came in flew in and

677
00:29:41,570 --> 00:29:39,840
then spoke to each of those members who

678
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:41,580
were involved with the initial UFO

679
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:43,679
contact that had occurred over the three

680
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:46,799
night period and the Christmas uh of

681
00:29:53,230 --> 00:29:50,159
1980 but I think that the problem is

682
00:29:57,409 --> 00:29:53,240
Ryan on the largest scale of ufology

683
00:30:00,289 --> 00:29:57,419
excuse me is that the system that we

684
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,299
serve uh is going to find it hard to

685
00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:03,120
explain to the public just what it is

686
00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:05,820
that we're dealing with and there are

687
00:30:11,450 --> 00:30:07,620
several aspects that we can take with

688
00:30:13,610 --> 00:30:11,460
that one of those is the fact that you

689
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:13,620
know we were led to believe that UFOs

690
00:30:17,769 --> 00:30:15,120
were nothing less than the figment of

691
00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:17,779
the imagination the media cartel

692
00:30:22,490 --> 00:30:20,520
promoted all of these documentaries and

693
00:30:24,350 --> 00:30:22,500
then pooh-pooed the subject afterwards

694
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:24,360
most notably the famous series here was

695
00:30:29,450 --> 00:30:26,820
Arthur C Clarke's mysterious world that

696
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:29,460
have been uh hosted by Sir Arthur Clark

697
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,399
eminent scientist and author and he

698
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:35,039
would burst that lovely bubble that had

699
00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:37,919
been made uh you know afterwards but is

700
00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:39,960
it true are they real and then of course

701
00:30:45,649 --> 00:30:43,020
as we come into this new era of research

702
00:30:49,789 --> 00:30:45,659
neurology we discover the Pentagon

703
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:49,799
releasing a somewhat flimsy seven pages

704
00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:52,799
of of Limp information but something

705
00:30:57,049 --> 00:30:55,260
quite uh revealing within its contents

706
00:30:58,750 --> 00:30:57,059
that we could be possibly dealing with

707
00:31:01,789 --> 00:30:58,760
something that may be

708
00:31:07,010 --> 00:31:01,799
extraterrestrial and then of course just

709
00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:07,020
recently again where strangely the media

710
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:09,720
cartel here in England I'm sure in the

711
00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:11,220
United States of America in your great

712
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:14,100
country with those balloons and strange

713
00:31:16,850 --> 00:31:15,600
objects that crashed and I'm sure the

714
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:16,860
balloons were terrestrial but one of

715
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,120
them may not have been we can only

716
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,640
speculate us to that but stating on

717
00:31:24,130 --> 00:31:22,559
National Television on the news that

718
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:24,140
they had shot down

719
00:31:32,330 --> 00:31:29,120
UFOs now that to me

720
00:31:34,669 --> 00:31:32,340
suspect because each and every one of us

721
00:31:36,289 --> 00:31:34,679
and sorry to the vet from Reynolds from

722
00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:36,299
here for a moment but each and every one

723
00:31:42,169 --> 00:31:40,200
of us know what a UFO is and identified

724
00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:42,179
flying object and through our

725
00:31:47,149 --> 00:31:43,860
terminology our understanding it is a

726
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,159
spacecraft or alien technology

727
00:31:51,409 --> 00:31:49,440
and there they were flouting we've just

728
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,419
shot down some UFOs and I think everyone

729
00:31:56,750 --> 00:31:54,240
was quite shocked in the way that the

730
00:32:00,649 --> 00:31:56,760
media cartel had started to instigate

731
00:32:02,690 --> 00:32:00,659
this very strange admittance so you know

732
00:32:05,210 --> 00:32:02,700
I always say that there are these levels

733
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:05,220
of high strangeness and certainly within

734
00:32:10,669 --> 00:32:08,159
military organizations and going all the

735
00:32:13,870 --> 00:32:10,679
way up to those people in charge of the

736
00:32:16,909 --> 00:32:13,880
media networks they must know something

737
00:32:19,010 --> 00:32:16,919
and I think that the time is coming now

738
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:19,020
where there may be some kind of

739
00:32:23,870 --> 00:32:21,720
Revelation on a larger scale with what

740
00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:23,880
we may be dealing with but I think

741
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,980
they're going to find it difficult how

742
00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:28,080
on Earth are they going to tell an

743
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:30,840
already programmed Society I'm sorry

744
00:32:35,630 --> 00:32:33,360
that we've lied to you and they have

745
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:35,640
lied to us all the researchers all those

746
00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:38,159
people involved with UFOs and Witnesses

747
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,620
but the UFOs are real but by the way we

748
00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:42,240
we're going to find it very difficult to

749
00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:43,140
explain

750
00:32:47,289 --> 00:32:45,000
about them

751
00:32:49,549 --> 00:32:47,299
and there we are

752
00:32:53,149 --> 00:32:49,559
in a nutshell there we are there you

753
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:56,450
you know Philip I all I think many

754
00:33:03,529 --> 00:33:00,240
people found it very strange that the

755
00:33:06,769 --> 00:33:03,539
word UFO was used with those balloon

756
00:33:08,990 --> 00:33:06,779
slash satellites and speaking of

757
00:33:11,630 --> 00:33:09,000
satellites I'm very glad that you bring

758
00:33:15,889 --> 00:33:11,640
up the Russian satellite having to do

759
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,899
with this case because there there was a

760
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:18,240
whole bunch going on it was it was quite

761
00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:22,080
the mess when there was the belief that

762
00:33:27,049 --> 00:33:24,779
it was possibly Russian satellite I

763
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:27,059
believe had collided with the UFO in

764
00:33:34,669 --> 00:33:30,360
space bringing them both down there was

765
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,679
a Russian tupolev Bear kidnapped by the

766
00:33:40,190 --> 00:33:36,960
Americans and secretly flown back to the

767
00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:40,200
base there was a lot of theorizing do

768
00:33:46,009 --> 00:33:43,620
you think an actual UFO may have been

769
00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:46,019
struck by a Russian satellite this seems

770
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:47,460
far-fetched

771
00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:50,640
well I doubt that very much and to

772
00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:52,740
conclude here that the timing of the

773
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:54,659
satellite was a little bit out of zinc

774
00:34:00,049 --> 00:33:57,840
with the UFO experience that happened I

775
00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:00,059
might add here with the military over a

776
00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:02,760
three night period so I doubt whether or

777
00:34:07,490 --> 00:34:05,100
not pieces of the debris of this crashed

778
00:34:10,369 --> 00:34:07,500
or saucer or craft or whatever it was

779
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,379
and pieces of our Earth Technology just

780
00:34:15,409 --> 00:34:12,960
happen to be seen over those three night

781
00:34:17,409 --> 00:34:15,419
period and you know it's rather like

782
00:34:20,089 --> 00:34:17,419
going back through the contradictory

783
00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:20,099
data of the Roswell crash of the

784
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:22,260
military first stadium that they had in

785
00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:25,740
their possession a flying disc they made

786
00:34:31,490 --> 00:34:28,980
that fact and then changing it to a

787
00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:31,500
weather balloon as I stated again so

788
00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:33,240
secret that no one else was out looking

789
00:34:38,990 --> 00:34:37,020
for Mac Brazil a sheep Rancher found

790
00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:39,000
pieces of the debris and the rest is

791
00:34:42,589 --> 00:34:40,379
history when it was brought to the

792
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,599
attention of sheriff Wilcox and then he

793
00:34:46,930 --> 00:34:44,159
informed the Army and they went out to

794
00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:46,940
investigate and in that episode alone

795
00:34:52,190 --> 00:34:50,220
another researcher John Smith who is a

796
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:52,200
well-known author and an investigation

797
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,020
Roswell believes that a part of the

798
00:34:59,930 --> 00:34:57,119
Roswell craft came away from the main

799
00:35:01,910 --> 00:34:59,940
body as it came into a crash landing and

800
00:35:03,530 --> 00:35:01,920
I believe that that is totally possible

801
00:35:06,829 --> 00:35:03,540
as opposed to two crafts colliding with

802
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:06,839
one another two UFOs colliding in

803
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:09,180
response to the rendersham case

804
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:12,960
I think that a lot of occurrences that

805
00:35:19,130 --> 00:35:16,079
were happening and I think that the OSI

806
00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:19,140
and much of those debunkers tried in

807
00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:21,420
every way possible to denounce anything

808
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:24,300
other than some kind of extraterrestrial

809
00:35:29,329 --> 00:35:27,599
vehicle or Vehicles as it were and

810
00:35:31,849 --> 00:35:29,339
what's interesting is that when you

811
00:35:34,609 --> 00:35:31,859
speak to Colonel Charles Holt he was

812
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:34,619
Deputy based Commander at the time you

813
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:37,800
will find that he is absolutely on par

814
00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:40,079
with this information and even what

815
00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:42,359
happened with him stunned him and his

816
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:44,460
men of course they were all stunned by

817
00:35:48,109 --> 00:35:46,079
the events that occurred and of course

818
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,119
each of them was separated and spoken to

819
00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:50,880
individually I know that you get some

820
00:35:54,109 --> 00:35:52,680
people unfortunately who are linked with

821
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:54,119
the case or believe that they were

822
00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:55,440
linked with a case at the time I'm not

823
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,480
going to go into the detail in that but

824
00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:59,520
I believe Colonel Charles Holt I believe

825
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:02,240
John Burroughs and Jim peniston

826
00:36:06,770 --> 00:36:04,440
absolutely totally as I do believe

827
00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:06,780
Brenda Butler and of course the story

828
00:36:12,530 --> 00:36:09,660
gets even stranger because there was the

829
00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:12,540
appearance with Brenda around about 1984

830
00:36:16,970 --> 00:36:14,520
and after Sky Crash had been published

831
00:36:18,530 --> 00:36:16,980
their original book with this reptilian

832
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:18,540
man I mean I thought well this is

833
00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:21,180
impossible but she actually befriended

834
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:22,440
this being

835
00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:25,920
that appeared as a human and had also

836
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:28,200
infiltrated top key members within the

837
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:31,500
UFO community at that time uh even with

838
00:36:36,829 --> 00:36:35,040
Ralph noise who was part of the ministry

839
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:36,839
of Defense

840
00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:39,440
um you know who had seen David Daniels

841
00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:42,060
his name was David Daniels he called

842
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,460
himself David Daniels along with

843
00:36:48,829 --> 00:36:46,079
Lieutenant Colonel Wendell Stevenson

844
00:36:51,890 --> 00:36:48,839
America and I have to State here that

845
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:51,900
Ralph noise who was part of the ministry

846
00:36:58,370 --> 00:36:54,960
of Defense wrote a science fiction book

847
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,380
called a secret Prophet that I have that

848
00:37:02,329 --> 00:37:00,480
that is based Loosely along the lines of

849
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:02,339
renderson because he he thought that he

850
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:03,839
could bring it out in fiction rather

851
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,520
than fat because Noah would take him

852
00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:07,680
seriously at that point

853
00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:09,300
um I know that Jenny Reynolds thought

854
00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:10,740
the whole thing was a load of rubbish

855
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:12,599
understandably with regards to his

856
00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:15,359
science fiction book but not only that

857
00:37:19,970 --> 00:37:17,880
but Brenda and this reptilian man who by

858
00:37:23,470 --> 00:37:19,980
the way had no interest in the main

859
00:37:25,849 --> 00:37:23,480
events of the 1980 UFO

860
00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:25,859
actually went to go and meet Lord

861
00:37:30,890 --> 00:37:29,160
Admiral Hill Norton here in London and

862
00:37:33,650 --> 00:37:30,900
and you know that was an incredible

863
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:33,660
meeting so this strange being suddenly

864
00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:36,119
rocked up in the midst of renderson

865
00:37:42,829 --> 00:37:40,500
itself and so but I interviewed

866
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,839
those individuals not all of them

867
00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:45,359
because uh some of them are deceased now

868
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:48,060
or were you know at the time that I

869
00:37:52,609 --> 00:37:50,160
started researching this and I can

870
00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:52,619
assure you that when you are sitting in

871
00:37:56,329 --> 00:37:54,180
front of someone who is black and white

872
00:37:58,670 --> 00:37:56,339
and telling you that this is exactly

873
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:58,680
what happened and you're in the nest of

874
00:38:04,609 --> 00:38:01,680
that reality it changes everything so

875
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:04,619
there's a lot more to renderson than

876
00:38:10,430 --> 00:38:07,680
just the military's connection with

877
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,440
these UFO appearances and interaction

878
00:38:14,329 --> 00:38:12,720
with some kind of uh extraterrestrial

879
00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:14,339
intelligence

880
00:38:18,109 --> 00:38:16,260
um so it's really quite fascinating and

881
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,119
you know I don't go in too much detail

882
00:38:22,750 --> 00:38:19,920
about David Daniels but the

883
00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:22,760
synchronicities get even weirder because

884
00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:26,760
long before I had got involved with

885
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:29,160
renderson research and when I had

886
00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:31,140
belonged to UFO group here and I have

887
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:33,960
met Peter Robbins our UFO group went to

888
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,480
renderson Forest to do a Sky Crash this

889
00:38:41,089 --> 00:38:38,160
is many years before I went and got

890
00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:41,099
involved with the research and we had in

891
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:42,780
a pub before we did our Sky Crash not to

892
00:38:47,569 --> 00:38:45,540
drink alcohol because that's a bad idea

893
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:47,579
when you're Sky watching but we went

894
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:48,960
into a pub

895
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:51,960
and there was this strange man that

896
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:54,300
singled me my brother and Susan out

897
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:56,700
because there was a Mini Bus full of us

898
00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:59,520
and he came to sit with us and he was uh

899
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:02,160
blonde-haired and he was casually

900
00:39:08,329 --> 00:39:05,040
dressed but he seemed to connect with

901
00:39:10,670 --> 00:39:08,339
our minds and my brother and Susan had

902
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,680
seen one of his arm I think it was his

903
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:12,480
right arm changed to some type of

904
00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:14,700
plastic this guy we couldn't get rid of

905
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:16,200
he was following us into the forest

906
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,060
afterwards and he was getting into our

907
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:19,920
heads and on the way back from our Sky

908
00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:24,720
Crash uh Skywatch sorry Scott Skywatch

909
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,220
um you know we didn't see anything but

910
00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:28,079
everyone was talking about this strange

911
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,180
man that called himself Joseph and then

912
00:39:34,430 --> 00:39:32,400
of course when I read Brenda Butler's

913
00:39:36,770 --> 00:39:34,440
research I I said to her Michael that's

914
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:36,780
me I wonder whether or not this was the

915
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:39,359
one of the same individuals known as

916
00:39:42,829 --> 00:39:40,800
David Daniels and she said no we

917
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,839
couldn't have been and I thought well

918
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:44,640
now I think that there's every

919
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,480
possibility that this strange person was

920
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,599
David because this this apparent

921
00:39:55,970 --> 00:39:53,520
extraterrestrial or reptilian as they

922
00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:55,980
call it what had seemed to infiltrate a

923
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,440
lot of people so you'll find Ryan that

924
00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:00,480
when you get involved in UFO research in

925
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,460
a certain case it's like going down the

926
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:05,280
rabbit hole but I'm telling you that I

927
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:07,560
believe those people and I believe Lord

928
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:10,079
Admiral hell Norton I believed Ralph

929
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:12,180
noise I believe Lieutenant Colonel

930
00:40:16,730 --> 00:40:13,800
Wendell Stevens with his emails coming

931
00:40:19,849 --> 00:40:16,740
through to John Hanson xcid here in

932
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:19,859
England along with maybe other prominent

933
00:40:25,930 --> 00:40:22,560
neurologists so you know it just gets

934
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:30,349
totally it really is bizarre and I think

935
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,859
it's so wild the descriptions of David

936
00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:36,960
and it sounds like there's another one

937
00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:40,380
out there as well and some some of the

938
00:40:44,329 --> 00:40:42,660
Strange Behaviors that would take place

939
00:40:46,609 --> 00:40:44,339
could you tell listeners a little bit

940
00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:46,619
about for example

941
00:40:57,710 --> 00:40:49,500
um David's diet and uh some of his

942
00:41:02,690 --> 00:41:00,829
the original book and she wanted him out

943
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:02,700
of her house and he just appeared in her

944
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:05,280
house and Brenda had to drive a long way

945
00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:06,720
to get to dots and of course she

946
00:41:11,210 --> 00:41:09,660
befriended him but David actually

947
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:11,220
um proved to her

948
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:15,839
what he was and showed her his true form

949
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:18,480
she she Brenda is a very grounded very

950
00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:21,599
down-to-earth lady nothing phases her at

951
00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:24,900
all and she was really enameled with him

952
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:27,000
and connected with him and built up this

953
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:29,940
friendship Brenda had a caravan outside

954
00:41:35,770 --> 00:41:32,940
her property and he would this David

955
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:35,780
Daniels would stay in this Caravan and

956
00:41:41,569 --> 00:41:39,060
unfortunately the what they found was

957
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,579
that um the whatever was going on in

958
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:43,200
that Caravan because David Daniels

959
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:46,079
didn't use any toiletry toilets he

960
00:41:48,829 --> 00:41:47,520
didn't seem to clean there was no

961
00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:48,839
cleaning with his

962
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:49,980
um sorry there were no cleaning

963
00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:52,200
amenities that there in the Caravan and

964
00:41:55,849 --> 00:41:53,700
he wasn't allowed in the house any once

965
00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:55,859
for a meal now and again

966
00:41:59,329 --> 00:41:56,520
um

967
00:42:03,230 --> 00:41:59,339
he was perfect always well dressed

968
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:03,240
always well groomed and his uh this

969
00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:06,480
Caravan apparently all of the paint on

970
00:42:11,810 --> 00:42:08,820
the outside of it a dried crisp which

971
00:42:14,329 --> 00:42:11,820
indicated to uh Brenda's then partner

972
00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:14,339
Chris peniston

973
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:16,320
um who she was with at that time he was

974
00:42:21,290 --> 00:42:18,780
annoyed because the being inside had

975
00:42:22,970 --> 00:42:21,300
obviously generated so much heat that it

976
00:42:26,650 --> 00:42:22,980
made all of the paint from the outside

977
00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:26,660
of the Caravan burn up and turn crisp

978
00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:30,660
he only ate sweets and when Brenda had

979
00:42:35,930 --> 00:42:33,900
made a meal for him he would antagonize

980
00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:35,940
anyone that was connected with Brenda by

981
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,260
reading their minds I mean he could

982
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:39,599
literally read minds very quickly and

983
00:42:46,450 --> 00:42:44,160
very very clearly and Chris peniston

984
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:46,460
um that was Brenda's partner at the time

985
00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:49,380
did I interviewed him didn't like him at

986
00:42:52,010 --> 00:42:50,760
all and found him very frightening in

987
00:42:53,870 --> 00:42:52,020
fact a lot of people that came into

988
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:53,880
contact with him

989
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,160
um Wanted rid of him because he was just

990
00:43:00,410 --> 00:42:58,319
weird he would seem to get into your

991
00:43:02,510 --> 00:43:00,420
mind he would read your thoughts no one

992
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:02,520
knew exactly what he was after or what

993
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,760
he was looking for so you know this

994
00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:07,920
strange being that used to wear a long

995
00:43:12,050 --> 00:43:10,500
black coat and like military he looked

996
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:12,060
like he was from the military Brenda

997
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:13,980
said he looked very handsome there were

998
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:16,079
no photographs of him none were taken

999
00:43:23,329 --> 00:43:19,020
unfortunately

1000
00:43:26,450 --> 00:43:23,339
um but even when he got to America and

1001
00:43:28,430 --> 00:43:26,460
connected as a father David Daniels to

1002
00:43:30,890 --> 00:43:28,440
Lieutenant Colonel Wendell Stevens who

1003
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:30,900
was in prison at the time

1004
00:43:35,690 --> 00:43:33,060
um serving some time in prison we won't

1005
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:35,700
go into those that subject matter but

1006
00:43:41,089 --> 00:43:37,380
you know

1007
00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:41,099
this father Daniels started to get into

1008
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:43,079
the head of um

1009
00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:45,420
Lieutenant Colonel Wendell Stevens and

1010
00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:47,400
he was really quite worried about this

1011
00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:49,380
because this he didn't know what who

1012
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:51,660
this man was but he seemed to know all

1013
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,640
about a lot about um Lieutenant Colonel

1014
00:43:58,490 --> 00:43:55,440
Wendell Stevens and his family I might

1015
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:58,500
add so it's really bizarre we don't know

1016
00:44:03,710 --> 00:44:01,920
apparently David Daniels he informed

1017
00:44:05,870 --> 00:44:03,720
um Lord Admiral hell Norton in their

1018
00:44:07,849 --> 00:44:05,880
meeting with Brenda of course when they

1019
00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:07,859
went to the meeting

1020
00:44:12,530 --> 00:44:10,920
um in London to meet him that Brenda was

1021
00:44:15,770 --> 00:44:12,540
searched but he was not

1022
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,780
and um David Daniels has spoken to the

1023
00:44:19,609 --> 00:44:17,520
Lord and told him that you know his

1024
00:44:22,490 --> 00:44:19,619
people on his Planet were in trouble

1025
00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:22,500
and and Lord Admiral Hill Norton stated

1026
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,420
look I can't get involved my hands are

1027
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,880
tied I'm near to retirement I you know I

1028
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:28,560
can't get involved with this and he was

1029
00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:31,440
talking back to David Daniels as though

1030
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:32,700
it was just some kind of normal

1031
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,740
conversation about interplanetary

1032
00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:36,480
systems and difficulties with the

1033
00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:38,760
environmental issues Brenda Butler

1034
00:44:43,730 --> 00:44:40,980
couldn't understand what was going on

1035
00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:43,740
but when Brenda pushed across a copy of

1036
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,440
Sky Crash a cosmic conspiracy Lord

1037
00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:48,720
Admiral Hill Norton pushed it back and

1038
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,660
said very strangely if that has anything

1039
00:44:55,370 --> 00:44:53,280
to do with the Americans I want nothing

1040
00:44:57,550 --> 00:44:55,380
to do with it and Brenda can understand

1041
00:45:00,890 --> 00:44:57,560
what he was he meant by that statement

1042
00:45:03,530 --> 00:45:00,900
so it's clear to see that within the

1043
00:45:05,210 --> 00:45:03,540
American and British operatives within

1044
00:45:07,849 --> 00:45:05,220
the imagery establishments of course you

1045
00:45:09,770 --> 00:45:07,859
have a division of powers but there is a

1046
00:45:12,170 --> 00:45:09,780
great deal of respect and unity between

1047
00:45:15,010 --> 00:45:12,180
the USA and Britain there always has

1048
00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:15,020
been but that statement was very strange

1049
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:18,060
so I I think that perhaps Lord Admiral

1050
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:19,920
Hill Norton was well aware very much

1051
00:45:24,589 --> 00:45:22,319
aware of the UFO situation and all

1052
00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:24,599
linked due also to another author

1053
00:45:29,930 --> 00:45:28,140
brilliant author Timothy good who also

1054
00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:29,940
was good friends with Admiral Hill

1055
00:45:35,450 --> 00:45:33,240
Norton and connected with him greatly so

1056
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:35,460
you know we understand that this

1057
00:45:39,050 --> 00:45:37,200
reptilian

1058
00:45:41,450 --> 00:45:39,060
um seemed to have an agenda but wasn't

1059
00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:41,460
quite we weren't quite sure no one was

1060
00:45:45,770 --> 00:45:44,099
quite sure what this agenda was he said

1061
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,780
that he had people with him that would

1062
00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:47,520
come and visit Brenda and they did there

1063
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:49,260
were two ladies that came to visit her

1064
00:45:55,849 --> 00:45:52,319
and also that he when things got really

1065
00:45:58,569 --> 00:45:55,859
messy Brenda realized that Scotland's

1066
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:58,579
yard were after him along with the CIA

1067
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:01,680
and this was true

1068
00:46:06,589 --> 00:46:04,560
um because you know apparently that this

1069
00:46:08,990 --> 00:46:06,599
David Daniels was wanted for a murder

1070
00:46:10,849 --> 00:46:09,000
for a body in London and of course

1071
00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:10,859
nothing of the murder came to light

1072
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:14,040
nothing at all so basically David

1073
00:46:18,050 --> 00:46:16,260
Daniels knew that the authorities were

1074
00:46:20,990 --> 00:46:18,060
on to him and the authorities wanted him

1075
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,000
oh I tell you what Ryan it's very

1076
00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:24,240
strange even to the point where

1077
00:46:30,410 --> 00:46:26,940
um Brenda on one occasion had taken

1078
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:30,420
David Daniels to go and meet another

1079
00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:35,640
um UFO experiencer abductee John Day and

1080
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,140
his wife

1081
00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:39,359
um and John Day have been involved in a

1082
00:46:43,609 --> 00:46:41,400
very famous UFO case where they had gone

1083
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:43,619
through an abduction now when David

1084
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:46,200
Daniels had met John day both of them

1085
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:49,020
started to dislike one another instantly

1086
00:46:54,770 --> 00:46:51,060
and they both recognized each other and

1087
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,780
get this not in this life but past lives

1088
00:46:59,210 --> 00:46:56,640
on different star systems

1089
00:47:01,010 --> 00:46:59,220
and David Daniels this is the only time

1090
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,020
that Brenda saw David generals becoming

1091
00:47:05,390 --> 00:47:03,599
physically and emotionally upset she'd

1092
00:47:07,550 --> 00:47:05,400
never seen him like this before and she

1093
00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:07,560
had to get him away from this meeting

1094
00:47:14,030 --> 00:47:11,339
with John day so you know I know this is

1095
00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:14,040
taking us away from rendersham but there

1096
00:47:18,170 --> 00:47:16,140
are connection links to it and the

1097
00:47:20,089 --> 00:47:18,180
habits that this David Daniels had as

1098
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:20,099
well to was that he liked to steal books

1099
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,760
for some unknown reason and um he did

1100
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:25,440
say something quite interesting he did

1101
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:28,200
map out within the forest certain Ley

1102
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,720
lines which he said that UFOs used as

1103
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:32,640
some kind of trajectory points within

1104
00:47:38,270 --> 00:47:35,119
the Earth's system and Brenda still has

1105
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:38,280
those Maps those Ordinance survey maps

1106
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,220
that he had drawn on

1107
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,160
showing certain key locations of where

1108
00:47:49,790 --> 00:47:46,800
UFOs come in and the grid systems of

1109
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:49,800
which they use so you know to all

1110
00:47:54,890 --> 00:47:52,140
intensive purposes one would think that

1111
00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:54,900
this so-called reptilian was almost

1112
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,180
childlike when it is thinking but very

1113
00:48:02,870 --> 00:47:59,520
intelligent when it came to reading

1114
00:48:06,829 --> 00:48:02,880
minds and infiltrating uh top key

1115
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:06,839
members within the UFO community so yeah

1116
00:48:14,809 --> 00:48:11,760
you know I I think it is one of the most

1117
00:48:17,770 --> 00:48:14,819
interesting things about the case this

1118
00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:17,780
David Daniels character

1119
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:22,500
what he would do how he would act

1120
00:48:28,849 --> 00:48:26,880
um and the fact that officials wanted

1121
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:28,859
David and seemed to be willing to do

1122
00:48:34,849 --> 00:48:31,680
anything to get him I think speaks

1123
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,859
volumes and and I think I think it is a

1124
00:48:38,690 --> 00:48:36,720
very important part of the case

1125
00:48:41,410 --> 00:48:38,700
yes well I will tell you something else

1126
00:48:44,569 --> 00:48:41,420
that was very strange I went to America

1127
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,579
and some years ago now to the the

1128
00:48:49,250 --> 00:48:46,800
Phoenix Arizona UFO conference I wasn't

1129
00:48:51,050 --> 00:48:49,260
speaking there I saw Jack valet do an

1130
00:48:52,970 --> 00:48:51,060
excellent talk and many other

1131
00:48:55,309 --> 00:48:52,980
researchers and it was really great you

1132
00:48:58,250 --> 00:48:55,319
Americans are so friendly and kind and

1133
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:58,260
it was amazing I had an amazing time but

1134
00:49:03,050 --> 00:49:01,200
Nick Pope had been there and

1135
00:49:05,630 --> 00:49:03,060
um I've met Nick and being on television

1136
00:49:08,809 --> 00:49:05,640
with him on I think was it one occasion

1137
00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:08,819
one occasion yes anyway

1138
00:49:14,089 --> 00:49:11,880
when we were ready to depart in our mini

1139
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,099
bus going back to the airports after the

1140
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:16,640
uh five-day conference

1141
00:49:24,050 --> 00:49:21,180
Nick mentioned about Sky Crash and about

1142
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,060
renderson he wouldn't allude much to

1143
00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:26,160
this at all but he did say something

1144
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,140
very strange when I questioned him about

1145
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,720
this he said when I asked him about

1146
00:49:36,290 --> 00:49:32,640
David Daniels he looked at me and he

1147
00:49:38,569 --> 00:49:36,300
said David Daniels and his worthy effect

1148
00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:38,579
were yes that was an interesting case

1149
00:49:42,589 --> 00:49:40,440
wasn't it and he left it at that he

1150
00:49:45,770 --> 00:49:42,599
didn't say any more about it and I would

1151
00:49:48,050 --> 00:49:45,780
love to have known what he knew about it

1152
00:49:52,130 --> 00:49:48,060
you see what I mean because that would

1153
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:52,140
have aided within the the research of of

1154
00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:54,900
um you know information that I really

1155
00:50:00,650 --> 00:49:58,680
needed of course I I think with 13 I

1156
00:50:03,470 --> 00:50:00,660
think the book had been out then I think

1157
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:03,480
it was out yes I I think I'm not you

1158
00:50:08,569 --> 00:50:06,480
know I can't remember but anyway he did

1159
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,579
a loo to that very strongly and I

1160
00:50:12,290 --> 00:50:10,319
thought damn I wish he could have said

1161
00:50:14,690 --> 00:50:12,300
some more about that but he didn't

1162
00:50:17,690 --> 00:50:14,700
allude to anything other than that was

1163
00:50:20,089 --> 00:50:17,700
an interesting case which means that he

1164
00:50:21,770 --> 00:50:20,099
must have known something about him so

1165
00:50:24,109 --> 00:50:21,780
you'll find that a lot of these

1166
00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:24,119
mysterious cases these mysterious

1167
00:50:30,349 --> 00:50:27,000
incidents that occur within not just a

1168
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,359
celebrated UFO event but the levels of

1169
00:50:35,150 --> 00:50:32,880
you know High strangeness which which

1170
00:50:37,069 --> 00:50:35,160
could come into the frame

1171
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:37,079
when looking into the subject it's not

1172
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:39,000
just like oh this happened or that

1173
00:50:42,770 --> 00:50:40,319
happened you find that other things

1174
00:50:44,569 --> 00:50:42,780
occurred and this is very interesting I

1175
00:50:46,550 --> 00:50:44,579
doubt very much that David Daniels had

1176
00:50:48,049 --> 00:50:46,560
anything whatsoever to do with the

1177
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:48,059
initial sighting of the military that

1178
00:50:52,609 --> 00:50:49,980
the military troops had uh experienced

1179
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:52,619
back in 1980 but it seems strange that

1180
00:50:58,670 --> 00:50:55,680
he's suddenly rocked up and wanted to

1181
00:51:00,290 --> 00:50:58,680
find those who were involved with the

1182
00:51:01,970 --> 00:51:00,300
original research he actually went to go

1183
00:51:03,290 --> 00:51:01,980
and see Jenny Reynolds and Jenny

1184
00:51:06,049 --> 00:51:03,300
Reynolds just thought that he was crazy

1185
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,059
and sent him packing so you know Jenny

1186
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,400
Randall's dot Street Brenda Butler and

1187
00:51:13,250 --> 00:51:10,800
then of course all those people that

1188
00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:13,260
well most of them anyway that were key

1189
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,720
figures to the actual renderson case

1190
00:51:19,549 --> 00:51:18,000
itself not Jim peniston or John

1191
00:51:22,670 --> 00:51:19,559
Burroughs as far as I know all

1192
00:51:24,170 --> 00:51:22,680
Lieutenant Colonel Luke sorry Colonel

1193
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,180
Charles Holt

1194
00:51:28,910 --> 00:51:26,880
um or Lieutenant Colonel Wendell Stevens

1195
00:51:30,589 --> 00:51:28,920
um no I'm not sure about that so you

1196
00:51:32,329 --> 00:51:30,599
know we're left scratching our heads as

1197
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:32,339
to the true purpose of what this

1198
00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:35,760
so-called reptilian's purpose was

1199
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:40,440
and I I find it so amazing that it's not

1200
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:43,500
just one or two people that talk about

1201
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:46,800
David Daniels and I have to ask has

1202
00:51:51,230 --> 00:51:50,400
anyone become aware of his whereabouts

1203
00:51:54,650 --> 00:51:51,240
now

1204
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,660
and have any information on him since

1205
00:51:59,930 --> 00:51:56,400
all this took place

1206
00:52:03,470 --> 00:51:59,940
no absolutely nothing the loss that we

1207
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:03,480
heard if memory serves me well was that

1208
00:52:12,530 --> 00:52:07,920
he would he was seen in Australia

1209
00:52:14,329 --> 00:52:12,540
with a strange female and the people on

1210
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:14,339
this tour that they were going on in

1211
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,240
Australia reported back to

1212
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,119
um I think it was John Hanson perhaps

1213
00:52:26,930 --> 00:52:23,520
also Colonel Lieutenant Colonel Wendell

1214
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,940
Stevens that this man had been seen and

1215
00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:28,559
someone tried to take a photograph of

1216
00:52:34,430 --> 00:52:31,500
him but it just came out as a light now

1217
00:52:36,410 --> 00:52:34,440
whether or not we had actually met long

1218
00:52:39,530 --> 00:52:36,420
before I got involved with the UFO

1219
00:52:42,290 --> 00:52:39,540
research at rendersham this this guy

1220
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,300
called who called himself Joseph that

1221
00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:44,160
was originally David Daniels I am

1222
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,440
absolutely totally convinced and I'm not

1223
00:52:51,970 --> 00:52:48,720
trying to put two and two together

1224
00:52:54,530 --> 00:52:51,980
to make of you know four or five

1225
00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:54,540
whichever way you want to see it but I

1226
00:53:01,309 --> 00:52:58,020
am absolutely convinced that that guy

1227
00:53:03,230 --> 00:53:01,319
was this David Daniels and people would

1228
00:53:06,049 --> 00:53:03,240
say no no that that can't be possible

1229
00:53:08,210 --> 00:53:06,059
but you have to be there you when you're

1230
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,220
there in the event itself when you are

1231
00:53:12,530 --> 00:53:10,800
there physically in that presence or

1232
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:12,540
company whatever's going on

1233
00:53:17,930 --> 00:53:16,079
you you know and I couldn't believe it

1234
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,940
when I read

1235
00:53:21,410 --> 00:53:19,680
um most of the parts in Brenda's book

1236
00:53:23,569 --> 00:53:21,420
because I'd never heard about this

1237
00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:23,579
before she kept it quiet and then of

1238
00:53:26,809 --> 00:53:24,780
course when you start digging and

1239
00:53:28,670 --> 00:53:26,819
researching you start to find all these

1240
00:53:31,970 --> 00:53:28,680
threads that can interconnect with one

1241
00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:31,980
another so other than that no he just

1242
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:33,780
seems to have disappeared off the face

1243
00:53:40,849 --> 00:53:37,440
of the Earth his craft apparently was

1244
00:53:42,770 --> 00:53:40,859
secreted somewhere but no one knows uh

1245
00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:42,780
you know he didn't allude to that fact

1246
00:53:48,049 --> 00:53:45,720
at all I do know that he said that his

1247
00:53:50,450 --> 00:53:48,059
people were in trouble if this is to

1248
00:53:53,150 --> 00:53:50,460
believe from his end and that he wanted

1249
00:53:55,549 --> 00:53:53,160
the people of Earth to help but I don't

1250
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:55,559
see how they could because you know all

1251
00:54:00,589 --> 00:53:57,200
of our infrastructures are

1252
00:54:02,930 --> 00:54:00,599
multi-complexed and separated so I'm I'm

1253
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:02,940
not sure what he was after or what he

1254
00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:05,760
wanted to be honest with you

1255
00:54:11,870 --> 00:54:09,300
and it does seem as if there is a

1256
00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:11,880
similar cover-up or secrecy when it

1257
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:14,339
comes to the military and government's

1258
00:54:20,569 --> 00:54:18,900
intentions with many of these events uh

1259
00:54:22,849 --> 00:54:20,579
another question I wanted to ask you

1260
00:54:25,609 --> 00:54:22,859
about is the night robbers can we go

1261
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:25,619
into that quickly as we wrap up

1262
00:54:32,089 --> 00:54:29,280
Oh you mean about the Grays yes oh the

1263
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,099
research that I've done on them yes um

1264
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,319
this this the night robbers are the

1265
00:54:40,010 --> 00:54:37,200
Grays and my theoretical uh model of

1266
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,020
what they could possibly represent one

1267
00:54:44,329 --> 00:54:42,480
of the things I found interesting with

1268
00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:44,339
regards to the graves is their inability

1269
00:54:50,329 --> 00:54:46,920
to reproduce now I know that most people

1270
00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:50,339
will say that they are AI technology or

1271
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:52,200
that they are us from the future or they

1272
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,839
are demons or whatever fine I I am open

1273
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,640
to all forms of speculation but at the

1274
00:55:00,770 --> 00:54:59,040
moment we don't know now it seems

1275
00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:00,780
interesting to me that the abduction

1276
00:55:06,530 --> 00:55:03,900
phenomena seems to occur on a

1277
00:55:08,210 --> 00:55:06,540
non-physical level of reality but not so

1278
00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:08,220
non-physical as in the sense that it

1279
00:55:12,349 --> 00:55:10,680
just is a little wispy I looked into the

1280
00:55:14,329 --> 00:55:12,359
near death experience and this had been

1281
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,339
published in an article I I had done

1282
00:55:18,650 --> 00:55:17,040
back in 1996 and alien encounters a

1283
00:55:20,510 --> 00:55:18,660
magazine here in England called spirits

1284
00:55:24,170 --> 00:55:20,520
in the material world I was interested

1285
00:55:27,049 --> 00:55:24,180
in into what the Grays were and why they

1286
00:55:30,349 --> 00:55:27,059
were interested in reproduction it seems

1287
00:55:34,370 --> 00:55:30,359
strange also that the experience was

1288
00:55:35,930 --> 00:55:34,380
likened to an mde if we take an nde a

1289
00:55:38,329 --> 00:55:35,940
near-death experience for instance the

1290
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:38,339
research there when someone passes over

1291
00:55:43,790 --> 00:55:40,980
into or the light or onto the other side

1292
00:55:46,430 --> 00:55:43,800
there is a sense of timelessness they

1293
00:55:47,450 --> 00:55:46,440
feel more real and alive than they felt

1294
00:55:49,849 --> 00:55:47,460
when they're in their physical body

1295
00:55:51,609 --> 00:55:49,859
through this Temple extraction of the

1296
00:55:53,690 --> 00:55:51,619
soul from the body

1297
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,700
beings communicate through it by

1298
00:55:57,710 --> 00:55:55,440
telepathy and there is a sense of loss

1299
00:55:59,630 --> 00:55:57,720
of time now the Grays seem to operate

1300
00:56:02,030 --> 00:55:59,640
along the same from premise and I'm not

1301
00:56:03,650 --> 00:56:02,040
saying that the Grays are the dead or

1302
00:56:05,470 --> 00:56:03,660
you know operating on the level within

1303
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:05,480
what we call the spirit world

1304
00:56:10,430 --> 00:56:08,400
but I believe that the mimicking of the

1305
00:56:12,109 --> 00:56:10,440
Grays and of how they extract the true

1306
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:12,119
essence of an individual and bringing us

1307
00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:13,920
into their filled frequency of awareness

1308
00:56:18,890 --> 00:56:17,099
is very interesting and whatever for

1309
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:18,900
instance they do to the astral body

1310
00:56:23,390 --> 00:56:21,599
which is real will temporarily affect

1311
00:56:26,510 --> 00:56:23,400
its physical counterpart the same with

1312
00:56:28,250 --> 00:56:26,520
an nde of the body is diseased and the

1313
00:56:30,589 --> 00:56:28,260
person goes through the NT incomes back

1314
00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:30,599
fact that in most cases miraculously

1315
00:56:34,790 --> 00:56:32,700
healed as though there has been some

1316
00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:34,800
kind of Correction within the etheric

1317
00:56:39,770 --> 00:56:37,140
body as it were so I always give the

1318
00:56:41,390 --> 00:56:39,780
analogy of a mobile phone with us you

1319
00:56:43,490 --> 00:56:41,400
see when we're looking at UFO research

1320
00:56:45,650 --> 00:56:43,500
we have to look outside the box

1321
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,660
a mobile phone is merely the physical

1322
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,480
application that is there to receive a

1323
00:56:52,670 --> 00:56:50,880
signal and the application the physical

1324
00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:52,680
Hardware records and sends out

1325
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:55,260
information translates it and I think we

1326
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,119
as biological entities work on the same

1327
00:57:01,130 --> 00:56:59,520
premise where we are recording in this

1328
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:01,140
life information that's sent back to

1329
00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:02,880
Source once we've completed our journey

1330
00:57:07,549 --> 00:57:05,640
I suppose perhaps maybe to expand upon

1331
00:57:10,670 --> 00:57:07,559
the process of creation we don't know

1332
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:10,680
but the Grays seem interested in our

1333
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:13,680
physiology and What Makes Us tick and my

1334
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:15,839
argument was that perhaps if they had

1335
00:57:21,530 --> 00:57:18,960
cloned themselves beyond that point of

1336
00:57:23,930 --> 00:57:21,540
replication like naturally

1337
00:57:26,930 --> 00:57:23,940
then they have lost themselves outside

1338
00:57:29,450 --> 00:57:26,940
the the frequency of creation this is

1339
00:57:31,849 --> 00:57:29,460
only one hypothesis it could be possible

1340
00:57:33,890 --> 00:57:31,859
that the grades are here because they

1341
00:57:36,290 --> 00:57:33,900
are engineering a new species a new

1342
00:57:38,270 --> 00:57:36,300
genus because we have the human race at

1343
00:57:41,210 --> 00:57:38,280
the end of our line rather like a modern

1344
00:57:42,890 --> 00:57:41,220
day Noah Arc as it were we don't know I

1345
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:42,900
mean we have to be open to all forms of

1346
00:57:47,089 --> 00:57:45,599
speculation regarding the Grays and the

1347
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:47,099
research that I have been undertaking

1348
00:57:50,329 --> 00:57:48,960
but there are other areas that I've

1349
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:50,339
looked into and I've kind of like

1350
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,260
addressed within this new book called

1351
00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:54,240
terrestrial trespassers but I do believe

1352
00:57:59,390 --> 00:57:57,180
that these entities what we're looking

1353
00:58:01,370 --> 00:57:59,400
at is so far removed from our sense of

1354
00:58:03,710 --> 00:58:01,380
reality that this is why we're finding

1355
00:58:06,349 --> 00:58:03,720
it difficult to you know understand what

1356
00:58:09,290 --> 00:58:06,359
they are can anyone tell me where the

1357
00:58:11,569 --> 00:58:09,300
aliens are no because they come in and

1358
00:58:14,329 --> 00:58:11,579
out of our reality just like their UFOs

1359
00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:14,339
come in and out very quickly so I think

1360
00:58:18,530 --> 00:58:16,380
that they alter space and time and then

1361
00:58:20,210 --> 00:58:18,540
make a deep connection on a psychic

1362
00:58:23,150 --> 00:58:20,220
level with the individual where an

1363
00:58:25,490 --> 00:58:23,160
override is then in initiated and then

1364
00:58:27,770 --> 00:58:25,500
contact is then ensued where the in most

1365
00:58:29,870 --> 00:58:27,780
cases uh you know the person is

1366
00:58:33,470 --> 00:58:29,880
paralyzed but they need the individual

1367
00:58:35,329 --> 00:58:33,480
alive sorry aware awake not alive

1368
00:58:37,609 --> 00:58:35,339
they're not dead but in the sense of

1369
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:37,619
what I'm talking about you know and in

1370
00:58:42,650 --> 00:58:39,720
order to create this kind of like uh

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00:58:43,609 --> 00:58:42,660
this connection between the gray and the

1372
00:58:45,890 --> 00:58:43,619
human

1373
00:58:47,930 --> 00:58:45,900
so you know I think in the field that

1374
00:58:49,609 --> 00:58:47,940
you know looking at it in in retrospect

1375
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:49,619
to this idea it's very fascinating

1376
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:51,119
they're just theoretical models that

1377
00:58:53,569 --> 00:58:52,319
we're working on that I've been working

1378
00:58:55,010 --> 00:58:53,579
on

1379
00:58:56,329 --> 00:58:55,020
um and I think that you know our

1380
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:56,339
understanding of the Mind Of

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00:59:00,890 --> 00:58:58,799
Consciousness has been limited through

1382
00:59:03,049 --> 00:59:00,900
our programming from the system that we

1383
00:59:05,089 --> 00:59:03,059
serve and I think now the system is

1384
00:59:06,410 --> 00:59:05,099
finding we have a problem because you

1385
00:59:08,809 --> 00:59:06,420
know there is a missence that these

1386
00:59:11,089 --> 00:59:08,819
objects are real although they're known

1387
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:11,099
now as the UAP unidentified Aero

1388
00:59:14,690 --> 00:59:12,720
phenomena to make it more scientific

1389
00:59:16,430 --> 00:59:14,700
within its approach but quite what the

1390
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:16,440
system is doing I'm not sure it's very

1391
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:17,760
bizarre

1392
00:59:23,630 --> 00:59:20,880
it really is I really like the way you

1393
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:23,640
explained that I really enjoyed this

1394
00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:26,160
book the artwork is phenomenal and you

1395
00:59:31,130 --> 00:59:28,140
are quite the artist can we tell

1396
00:59:32,930 --> 00:59:31,140
listeners as we close it up where they

1397
00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:32,940
can find the book where they can find

1398
00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:37,020
more of your work purchase your art Etc

1399
00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:39,780
yes um the book is available on Amazon

1400
00:59:43,730 --> 00:59:41,880
because it was reprinted and through

1401
00:59:46,490 --> 00:59:43,740
Philip Mantle's flying this press it's

1402
00:59:48,829 --> 00:59:46,500
available as paperback as hardback as

1403
00:59:50,809 --> 00:59:48,839
audio and Kindle and thank you for the

1404
00:59:52,370 --> 00:59:50,819
art my brother does the art my twin

1405
00:59:54,530 --> 00:59:52,380
brother does the art

1406
00:59:56,510 --> 00:59:54,540
um he's uh very accomplished within his

1407
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:56,520
uh Department of the art art that's been

1408
01:00:01,010 --> 00:59:58,799
done there and they can find out more

1409
01:00:05,870 --> 01:00:01,020
about me and of course my identical twin

1410
01:00:09,950 --> 01:00:07,849
um and um you know the you can get the

1411
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:09,960
books on Amazon well every everything is

1412
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:12,000
on Amazon today it's the easiest place

1413
01:00:15,170 --> 01:00:13,440
to get anything now isn't it yeah

1414
01:00:17,089 --> 01:00:15,180
instead of the old you know audiobook

1415
01:00:18,910 --> 01:00:17,099
through the postal service or something

1416
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:18,920
you just get it on Amazon

1417
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:22,319
it is scary it's kind of uh it's kind of

1418
01:00:27,770 --> 01:00:24,480
really cornered the market of everything

1419
01:00:30,589 --> 01:00:27,780
as you said it it it it worries me and I

1420
01:00:33,410 --> 01:00:30,599
still like getting the physical books

1421
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,420
yes absolutely I I must have a physical

1422
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:35,520
book you know you hold your book up and

1423
01:00:39,410 --> 01:00:37,200
you say can you sign it no not if it's a

1424
01:00:42,289 --> 01:00:39,420
Kindle you can't do that it's a bit

1425
01:00:44,270 --> 01:00:42,299
difficult but I I you know I enjoy what

1426
01:00:45,770 --> 01:00:44,280
we're doing I enjoy the research it's a

1427
01:00:48,170 --> 01:00:45,780
challenge I think that anything that

1428
01:00:49,970 --> 01:00:48,180
affects you on or you're Touched By The

1429
01:00:51,890 --> 01:00:49,980
Singularity changes your concept of

1430
01:00:53,690 --> 01:00:51,900
reality and it just proves that the

1431
01:00:56,750 --> 01:00:53,700
system we serve has lied to us and that

1432
01:00:59,150 --> 01:00:56,760
is the underlying Factor it has lied to

1433
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:59,160
us and I think we want to know what's

1434
01:01:03,970 --> 01:01:01,440
behind those lies and who is responsible

1435
01:01:06,890 --> 01:01:03,980
that is my job that's what I want to do

1436
01:01:10,130 --> 01:01:06,900
and yeah I can't say enough about the

1437
01:01:13,490 --> 01:01:10,140
artwork Ronald really the the way he had

1438
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:13,500
the reptilians in the book are among the

1439
01:01:19,609 --> 01:01:17,040
best I've ever seen and uh yeah you guys

1440
01:01:22,130 --> 01:01:19,619
are a dynamic duo when it comes to this

1441
01:01:23,690 --> 01:01:22,140
and very very much respected in the

1442
01:01:26,510 --> 01:01:23,700
field I appreciate everything you guys

1443
01:01:30,410 --> 01:01:28,370
remember we're all key players in this

1444
01:01:32,270 --> 01:01:30,420
we're all important and we all work

1445
01:01:33,950 --> 01:01:32,280
together as a team at least I hope that

1446
01:01:35,690 --> 01:01:33,960
most people do that's that's the joyous

1447
01:01:39,230 --> 01:01:35,700
part of it

1448
01:01:41,089 --> 01:01:39,240
and I really have to say again that this

1449
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:41,099
is not just another book about

1450
01:01:46,609 --> 01:01:43,920
rendelsham how it goes into all of the

1451
01:01:49,370 --> 01:01:46,619
strange Mysteries surrounding the event

1452
01:01:50,930 --> 01:01:49,380
it's really something that belongs on

1453
01:01:53,569 --> 01:01:50,940
everybody's bookshelf and should

1454
01:01:56,750 --> 01:01:53,579
definitely be checked out thanks so much

1455
01:02:00,109 --> 01:01:56,760
Phillip thank you very much Ryan I'm so

1456
01:02:02,890 --> 01:02:00,119
honored as always thank you

1457
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:02,900
well there we have it what an amazing

1458
01:02:08,210 --> 01:02:05,520
adventure through the Mysteries

1459
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:08,220
surrounding the rendlesham incident

1460
01:02:12,250 --> 01:02:10,799
highly recommend this and I also highly

1461
01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:12,260
recommend you check out

1462
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:14,720
heroparanormal.com if you haven't yet

1463
01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:18,480
and subscribe there is a ton of content

1464
01:02:24,289 --> 01:02:20,760
behind the paywall you can also access

1465
01:02:26,030 --> 01:02:24,299
that at patreon just search for hero

1466
01:02:28,250 --> 01:02:26,040
paranormal

1467
01:02:31,609 --> 01:02:28,260
and if you could please like And

1468
01:02:33,410 --> 01:02:31,619
subscribe on YouTube and share that's

1469
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:33,420
the only way I've been told to break

1470
01:02:37,130 --> 01:02:35,760
through the algorithm which seems to

1471
01:02:39,470 --> 01:02:37,140
Shadow ban me

1472
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:39,480
I know I won't be monetized on YouTube

1473
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:42,240
but at least some people will be able to

1474
01:02:47,150 --> 01:02:44,640
hear the podcast thanks so much for

1475
01:02:50,089 --> 01:02:47,160
listening keep your eyes to the skies

1476
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:50,099
feet on the ground but don't forget to

1477
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:59,290
hey

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